They will not be strong enough to shift the pool or poke through it. I want to make sure that the routes don’t affect the pool at all. Or a eastern redbud (planting two myself this week). Yikes, river birch are extremely messy. I am concerned about the palm tree near my pool. In many cases, tree root systems that have managed to create soil settling or subsidence are within 16 feet or so of a home. All Rights Reserved. If planted too close, the expanding trunk and roots of a palm tree will lift pavers and have been known to damage retaining walls. You will have a major problem with cleaning the pool as the leaves drop. I just bought a house and I have a queen palm tree between a block wall and a pool. Some species of plam tree produce dates or fruit, that either attract annoying wildlife (screeching bats) or create a mess around the pool or in the pool (clogging filter systems). They said the berries from crepe myrtle trees are clogging the main drain. What tree would grow in small space that could give me 5-15ft of height and privacy? Of course that could have something to do with the roots being more brittle and breaking off rather than pulling up with the tree. Thread starter Carriesue; Start date May 28, 2005; Carriesue. It doesn’t take much chlorine for damage to occur. The roots are very soft. With that in mind, pools with vinyl siding could be at risk of damage from root growth. Crepe Myrtle will not thrive in your zone, it’s a southern tree. Do yourself a favor, find some nice plants or bushes to put around your pool and leave the trees to the other parts of your yard. Thanks, Doug The material on this site can not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with prior written permission of Multiply. I’m having the trees removed, if they are. Fiberglass and concrete pools are not at risk of damage from tree roots. However, they generally are not too 'pushy' and I haven't even seen a side walk damaged by a palm, though I am sure that's possible (much thinner concrete than a slab). Hi – most cypress trees are at least somewhat salt tolerant, so no worries,especially a tree that tall. The only negative to them is they need constant cleaning (pair of scissors will do) and tend to blow over in a strong wind. Small trees should be a minimum of 10 feet from structures while large trees must be at least 30 feet from them. Unlike the other plants on this list the issues with palm trees isn't the roots, it's the fruit and seeds. HI Gregg, most Palm trees have weak, shallow roots and are monocots so they don’t have tap roots like hard wood trees, but dicots, which grow in a more diffuse pattern. Thorny flowers, Chinese holly, cacti, pyracantha, and hard yucca are some unforgiving attractions. A tree that does well in zone 8 may not survive winters in zone 7. We also will have an automatic cover on the pool. Who is the longest reigning WWE Champion of all time? And with that said, don’t be afraid to change what was planted after the pool was built. Trees With Roots That Will Infiltrate Your Septic Tank. Some tips to reduce salt uptake are to water plants deeply, and avoid fertilizers with any salt in them. No on the Maple tree too. Root Systems: Most trees grow root systems of about the same size as the tree branch systems. I have 4 feet between my driveway and pool but need a tree here to provide shade over the pool from southern sun. But, unfortunately, many times large live Palm Trees cannot survive outdoors year round in climates that have a frost line. If you are going to put in an above ground pool and only dig down 13", you shouldn't do that much damage to the Oak tree roots so they shouldn't die. Or as an option to trees, consider a cabana or pergola with wisteria or vines. Insects will also be attracted to these choices. I’m worried if it continues to grow it may damage the pool. Climate: Again the regional climate is the number one consideration. 4. Needle bearing Evergreen trees, large deciduous trees, and Crape Myrtles should be avoided. In some instances, the root system becomes so large it can break up concrete structures. But the roots of the Palm trees do not cause any such damage to the concrete or the underground pipes. They can, but it’s more likely they will cause damage to your surrounding patio. damage your pool. Assuming that the palm is not planted on impenetrable soil that is…. Evaluate the Damage. Can i claim tree root damage to pipes, fence, driveway from insurance? Hi, you can slow growth with less watering and fertilizer. A liner pool will be susceptible to damage however. Crepe myrtles grow fast and provide good shade – but aren’t they constantly dropping leaves and flowers? Some trees have very aggressive roots that can damage pool walls or vinyl liners when planted too close to inground pools. Would this type of palm tree do this? 60 ft or so, and may have, under ideal conditions, a root spread equal to that amount. Remember that tree roots grow outward to search for water. Calycanthus, aka sweet shrubs, oleander and citrus can add pleasant aromas. For the fur that grows on the trunk, if your climate is not too cold, you can trim of that hair from around the trunk. Your neighbor does have the right to cut any tree roots that are encroaching onto their property. How long will the footprints on the moon last? Tree roots can grow to be very big and powerful causing damage to rocks, cement, and other such materials. I'm concerned with damage to the shell at some point. We have 7 windmill palms around our pool, but the shedding of its trunk is annoying and I feel I constantly need to clean the pool. Ivy would make a nice backdrop, if you are allowed to erect a quite tall rack of some strength, above the existing fence, or behind it, you could grow a very nice batch of honeysuckle, wisteria or clematis, or just green ivy – after a few years could look really nice – I’m picturing a 3-4′ high horizontal row of greenery, above the existing fence, and covering the top of the fence, thus creating a very high fence but with a soft top edge…? Larger leaves that end up in the swimming pool can complicate vacuuming and will put extra stress on the pool equipment. I just received an estimate to remove from $500-$700. We have had the trees for years without a problem. What are the release dates for The Wonder Pets - 2006 Save the Ladybug? We could place the bottlebrush slightly at a distance from the pool. Trees with extensive root systems can damage pool walls or pool plumbing (see the comments section). Great for small spaces and accent locations near your pool, the Pygmy Date Palm is a slower grower and adapts well to sun and shade. In this sense, the roots do not represent a danger to the pond or swimming pool liner. You do have some control over the root spread of any tree, by Pruning to keep the tree small-ish, and by Not Watering on the Pool side, but watering only on the opposite side of the tree, to encourage most root growth Away from the pool. Palms can be pruned of course, close-up to the trunk, but never ‘Top’ a palm, leave 3 or 4 fronds coming out of the top. But that’s not always realistic, or desirable in most cases. If you are planning to get a vinyl pool, you will want to … And they do not have deep root systems that would damage the pool? They can be used around an in ground pool and with an above ground pool. Also, because these roots are thin, they do not tend to cause any damage to the concrete. Hi Dave-I need “height” added to my landscape. The worst trees to plant around a pool include: Roots have been known to plow through concrete and gunite as well.” Live palm tree roots grow mostly downward so they are not likely to damage your pool. Extreme Leaf Removal. The roots will grow around the pool structure and conform to it. Shade: If you are specifically looking for shade around the pool, or in a certain area, that can guide your tree choice. Hi Luna, how about a maple or a evergreen spruce? A pool without good main drain suction will suffer with water quality, but usually just hazy water in the deep areas, not full blown green algae. Yes, depends on the tree. As the tree matures, it may encroach on the property boundary of adjoining land. By doing this, the tree does most of it’s drinking on the opposite side of the pool, which discourages growth of (more) roots on the pool side of the tree, which may even shrink and recede, when the water source dries up. ! In all cases, cutting back on water will reduce fruit yields, but will likely not kill the tree. Many pool guys will say “the best trees for a pool… is no trees at all”. With regards to the patio, it typically takes at least 10 years of growth before a root system can have any impact on a hardscape. They are 3' tall now, but I have read they can get to 30' tall and I wonder about root damage to the pool shell. Can Tree Roots Damage A Pool? 3. When did organ music become associated with baseball? Thanks! It is supposed to be a fast growing tree. Would these be okay? San Diego! They are acknowledging the roots may be a future problem, but that may not protect you from liability. There is not much space between the poon and fence. Finer needle that drop are known to sneak by the skimmer baskets and clog up your pool pump impellor. Pygmy Date Palm This statuesque palm features many trunks of varying height or it can be grown with just a single trunk. Does this seem accurate... Do the roots go out? The pool services said the crape myrtle trees pollen (2 trees) are making the pool green, is this true. Lots of big messy leaves in the fall and helicopter seeds in the spring. I love those trees! Leaf drop: Make sure the tree you choose has minimal leaf drop and it is not messy. A 60′ tree may need nearly 60′ in roots, but a 15′ tree, may only need 15′ of root … So if enough space is left between the palm and the pool for the fronds not to drop into the pool, then there is plenty a space for the eventual diameter of the palm trunk. If close enough these trees can erode the ground around your swimming pool and seek and destroy underground plumbing. Hi Carlos, I like Thujas, but they can get really big! Likewise, covering soils in plastic on the pool side, will slow water absorption on the pool side of the tree, to discourage root growth. The owner of the tree can't control where the roots go, and it's up to the pool owner to take care of the pool structure. Copyright © 2020 Multiply Media, LLC. But then again, I could be wrong! If you don’t see or feel algae clinging to walls or steps, and the water chemistry is good, the service co. could be right. We are putting a fiberglass pool in right now and I was possibly going to put an ornamental Japanese maple tree in at least 15 feet or so away from the pool. Hi Dave, our Houston, TX in-ground concrete pool has been dark green and usable for several months prior to and all through the summer. Watering outside the wall, can encourage root growth away from the pool. What do you think? You may have a severe phosphate contamination, which can be treated with PhosFree, or a severe filter problem, or no chlorine, or the pump only runs a few hours a day… and the main drain issue, but probably not the main drain per se… causing green water. I planted some shrubs that grow 4 ft max. Let me finish by saying this, I love trees and if they were there before the pool, perhaps they have squatter’s rights, and should not be taken down to improve the view or sun exposure. Tree roots damage rocks by causing them to crack or become crushed under their weight. Most trees will not damage a pool wall – as long as they have somewhere else to go – and also remember, if you prune a tree as it grows, and keep it from becoming a 60 ft tree, that will reduce root growth. Even a tree with a non-aggressive root system can cause damage if it is too close to a concrete structure. And cute little trees that grow into large monsters can block the sun’s warmth, or block the sight and sounds of the pool, which can be unsafe. Hi Marna, Japanese Maple, and most maple trees should be safe around a pool, as the root systems are not known to be aggressive or overly expansive. Privacy: Are you trying to block out neighbor’s prying eyes, noise or a less than perfect view? Avocado can also handle some dry periods, but less so. Trees with lots of ‘leaf litter’, excessive pollen, berries or budding debris can cause extra work for you and your pool filter. Tree suggestions for around an in-ground pool in Wisconsin Zone 5? PK. Thank you! They can be a fussy plant even in a tropical landscape. If you can save a foot, or so, of roots, you can dust it with some rooting hormone and (assuming you have room) you can move it to another area of the property that has good soil drainage. I was thinking about planting Thuja Green Gianta a new evergreen that was bred for privacy. I really can't say about the heating bill as I don't have a pool… Where you plant your trees is an important consideration because tree roots can damage concrete walkways, walls, septic tanks and swimming pools. palm tree roots grow mostly downward so they are not likely to damage your pool Crepe myrtle if you have good sun, or Citrus if you are in the right area. Because most in-ground pools are gunite or fiberglass, the tree roots will grow and conform around the pool shell. Hi Rene, keep in mind that I’m not an arborist, just a pool guy… but based on my quick google research here… both of those trees have somewhat aggressive root systems, not thin surface roots like Palms or other trees but very deep and wide roots, especially the turkey fig. I have a triple pygmy and 2 Sylvester palms in planters next to the pool - did a lot of research and … It’s probably about 20 years old. Any tree or plant that falls within this category will lead to excessive cleaning and possible staining. I swear that some trees can “smell” the water in the pool, and make a beeline for it, stretching it’s branches out until it pokes a hole in the liner, and busts up the floor or walls of your pool. This causes blockages, flooding and damage to pipes. These fruits and seeds get dropped and block utters downpipes and drains. In most cases, chlorinated water or salt pool splash-out is not much of a concern, as long as trees around a pool are regularly watered. Just as there are trees that do well around pools, there are lots of trees that won’t. Not recommended near a pool. What are some samples of opening remarks for a Christmas party? I would plant an avocado tree, and pistachio and yes macadamia and fragrant tea olive, but skip the bottlebrush, they are known for trouble root systems. If you notice a crack in your garden brick, concrete or stone wall, you may believe that your neighbor’s nearby tree is to blame. Also have a Brown turkey fig tree, about 12 ft from the pool. A 60′ tree may need nearly 60′ in roots, but a 15′ tree, may only need 15′ of root space. With a little wind, this can fill your pool with debris, but using a leaf catcher or even solar cover can mitigate some of this issue. Beauty: Adding beauty around the pool is an obvious reason for enhancing your pool landscaping. Hi there,we are planning to install a salt water pool,and I have 14 feet cypress near the pool,any concern that the salt water will kill the plant .do you think the plant can survive the minimum splash of salt water,thanks. Aside from trees for privacy, we’re also looking for drought resistant ones as we are required from time to time to cut back on the watering. They are in a space 4 1/2' wide between a retaining wall and concrete patio. Do you think the roots of Moringa will damage the pool. Hello, My wife just ordered 3 Windmill Palm Trees that she wants by our gunite shell pool. Palm trees grown in the ground always seem to have surprisingly shallow root systems given their height. Any thoughts on doing this would be helpful? Do you recommend? If you need to transplant your established palm, some roots must be cut from the tree itself to prevent pipe damage. Most trees will not damage a pool wall – as long as they have somewhere else to go – and also remember, if you prune a tree as it grows, and keep it from becoming a 60 ft tree, that will reduce root growth. Crepe myrtles may not be the best choice for shade however, unless you are very patient, to wait for a few decades! Any thoughts about vines? Damage from Palm Tree Roots. Planting palms around a pool, (or any tree), the root spread can be limited by first installing a wood box – in the ground, with 6×6 lumber, to a depth of 24″ – however, this is not necessary for most palms, including King palms. Most trees roots spread out as far as their branches, and some types of thirsty trees will extend well beyond that. I have two feet between my pool deck and the block wall. Litter: Some trees are constantly shedding buds, flowers, leaves and bark. Most palm trees are fine to plant around pools, and King would be a nice choice. Canyou suggest anything? Thanks, those are great suggestions Davy! Palms have a root ball and not a single tap root like trees and the palm rootlets flow around pipes and along concrete structures. Shallow-rooted trees can send out invasive roots or limbs, or branches can fall on a neighbor's fence or wall. Thanks, OF all the palms to plant in a tiny space like that, the Queen Palm was a good choice. Harbour dwarf nandina and dwarf yaupon holly are great small shrubs to line the border of a walking path or the perimeter of the pool decking. The best trees to plant around a pool include: Acacia, Banana, Citrus, Evergreens (arbor vitae, cypress, spruce), Holly and Magnolia (also evergreen), Olive trees (non fruit bearing), Oleander (actually a large bush), and Windmill Palms (hardy into areas of zone 6). Fast growing evergreens may be a good choice for one or two sides of the pool. A septic system is composed of a main outlet, a holding tank and a drainage field, or leach … If you keep any trees, bushes and shrubs near your home properly watered, there's little chance of them creating problems. Are they still a good choice near a pool? I was wondering your thoughts on Areca palms all around a pool in south Florida for privacy? Now I'm trying my luck in asking anyone's opinion about planting a queen palm right behind the pool. Hi, Areca Palm, Golden Cane Palm and Butterfly Palm (all the same) tend to have a shallow and thin root system, that would not normally pose any danger to pool walls or pipes. What does contingent mean in real estate? Crape myrtles, like most trees, tend to have cycles of heavy pollen every few years, so this year is probably one of the heavy years, should be much less volume for the next 3-5 years. In fact, I can pull a 7' plant out like a weed, so they are not very strongly rooted. Would Avocado, Pistachio and Macadamia nut fit that bill? My pool is green with pollen. If they are too much however, consider ‘culling the herd’, and taking out half of them, planting some low bushes, azalea or boxwood or oleander to fill space in between. I live in Tucson AZ. Why don't libraries smell like bookstores? Too much chlorinated water all at once can even kill trees. May 28, 2005. They drop twiggy limbs constantly and shed bark and small leaves. Root system: Does the tree have a shallow root system? Whilst tree roots can damage pools, a one-piece pool and concrete pool are typically unaffected by tree roots due to the thick concrete surrounding the pool which stops tree roots from growing into the pool area. Conflicts involving trees and neighbors are best resolved through communication, but there are laws covering these types of situations. It's up to you to do so or not. Too much chlorine can damage tree leaves and other delicate tissues. Hi Davey, We planted a Moringa tree about 5 feet from the pool less than a year ago and now it is about 12 feet tall. With regards to the pool, it depends on what type. Smaller trees, like pygmy palms, can be planted right next to the pool no problem, since they have very small and fragile root balls. Instead try aborvites, spruce, holly, red twig dogwood or fountain grasses. The worst trees to plant around a pool include (among others): Mulberries, Cottonwoods, Aspens, Willows, Silver Maple, and American Elm trees. Climate: Pools located in more temperate hardiness zones (southern states) have a wider variety of trees that can flourish around the pool. Roots can get into plumbing and cause concrete to … They quickly filled the pool up again and it is still dark green. Hi, if the Crepe myrtle berries are a problem, the drain cover can be replaced, with one that won’t allow clogging, or cover the drain with a Polaris Unibridge, which should also be a solution. The root spread is equal to the leaf spread, so keeping it pruned will slow growth. I am concerned about the palm tree near my pool. Visually pleasing while still low maintenance. Leaf Size: Small leaves from a willow or maple tree can be fairly manageable but large leaves can clog skimmers, pool vacuums and cleaners, berries can stain pools and pool decks, and soft fruits can be messy and smelly. C. Carriesue New Member. The reason is that since the roots remain in the topsoil around the Palm trees, they do not penetrate deep into the soil to reach the pipes. Or, if you don’t water the tree anymore, you could also shape the land a bit, and/or add plastic barriers, or drains, swales or gutters, to capture rain water on the pool side of the tree, and channel the water away from the pool. Any solutions? Most pool users will want to avoid brushing up against any of those mentioned without a shirt protecting your back. If you have trees around a pool that have become undesirable tenants – you can start over, with something new! Ornamental grasses like maiden grass, ophiopogon, and liriope can grow over half a foot. If the roots later damage the pool later you may end up in a situation of being liable. It has a very shallow root structure, with weak roots that are kind of wimpy. Day Lilies and sedums. This is South Texas at the tip of the Rio Grande Valley. Behind the block wall is a rip rap. Hot Tub Covers & Year-Round Outdoor Spas – Cover Smart. We are removing 2 Canadian red cherrys. You can also grade the spot just in front of the tree, so as to create a channel or downhill slope to move any splashout away from the tree(s), https://www.junglemusic.net/The_Areca_Palm/The_Areca_Palm.html, Energy Awareness Month – 7 Ways to Save Around the Pool, Has Fall Landed in your Pool? You could consider a root barrier, using geotextile fabrics, or barrier walls, between the pool and the tree, along with plenty of room to spread in the other directions, and you’d be ok. But in my experience, they are fairly small trees, and the blossom petals aren’t too much of a nuisance, just during one week anyway. Their roots go out about 12" or 15" from the root ball on a 10' tree. Joined May 25, 2005 Messages 2 Location Southern California. May 28, 2005 #1 I have four large palm trees on my patio. I don’t care about shade just the looks of the tree plus I’ve been wanting one of these trees. However, vinyl liner pools are. The answer is yes, it can! What is a sample Christmas party welcome address? These trees have extensive and invasive root systems that will seek moisture at any cost. Palm roots are not aggressive and will always find the easiest way around. Palm trees, Fruit trees, Grape vines, berry plants, nut trees and flowering trees. 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